I have a question concerning blanket notam 3/1862 shown here

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If you are on ATC vectors within class B airspace transiting that class B
airspace does this restriction apply or are you exempted because you have
been "authorized by ATC for operational or safety purposes".

What raises this question is trying to do a BAY TOUR at SFO during a Giants
or 49er home game. The usual restriction is below 2000 or 1500 feet west of
bayshore freeway. This restriction will put you within the TFR for
Candlestick park and many times 3COM park.

Also it is interesting that the times given for events on the AOPA website
are EST not real helpful if you don't think to convert it to local time.
Also be careful with their material since they seem to think that the 49er
play at 3COM park.

Howard

Howard Nelson wrote:
> If you are on ATC vectors within class B airspace transiting that class B
> airspace does this restriction apply or are you exempted because you have
> been "authorized by ATC for operational or safety purposes".
>
> What raises this question is trying to do a BAY TOUR at SFO during a Giants
> or 49er home game. The usual restriction is below 2000 or 1500 feet west of
> bayshore freeway. This restriction will put you within the TFR for
> Candlestick park and many times 3COM park.

If you're inside Class B at all you'd better be "authorized by ATC",
right? Also, I thought Candlestick park and 3com park were the same
place.

-R

"Howard Nelson" > wrote in message
om...
> If you are on ATC vectors within class B airspace transiting that class B
> airspace does this restriction apply or are you exempted because you have
> been "authorized by ATC for operational or safety purposes".

You're exempt from the stadium TFR while you're flying on a clearance.

--Gary

"Rob" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Howard Nelson wrote:
> > If you are on ATC vectors within class B airspace transiting that class
B
> > airspace does this restriction apply or are you exempted because you
have
> > been "authorized by ATC for operational or safety purposes".
> >
> > What raises this question is trying to do a BAY TOUR at SFO during a
Giants
> > or 49er home game. The usual restriction is below 2000 or 1500 feet west
of
> > bayshore freeway. This restriction will put you within the TFR for
> > Candlestick park and many times 3COM park.
>
> If you're inside Class B at all you'd better be "authorized by ATC",
> right? Also, I thought Candlestick park and 3com park were the same
> place.

My bad. You are right. The new names in bay area are Giants=SBC stadium.
49ers=3COM. Lakers=Staples Center. Kings=Arco Arena. Sharks=HP pavilion.
Raiders=McAfee Coliseum. Hey maybe we can get corporate names for airports
and help reduce user fees. SFO=Oracle airport. SCJ=Apple airport

Howard

> What raises this question is trying to do a BAY TOUR at SFO during a
> Giants
> or 49er home game. The usual restriction is below 2000 or 1500 feet west
> of
> bayshore freeway. This restriction will put you within the TFR for
> Candlestick park and many times 3COM park.

I don't know the answer, but the last time I flew a Bay Tour there was a
Giants game going on.
I was prepared to ask fot the *I-280 transition* but never got the chance as
they directed me that way anyway.
This brought me out over the west side of the pennisula up to the Golden
Gate, outside the TFR.

Once you get to the Bay, they let you go on your own navigation, below the
3000' class B floor, and north of the Bay Bridge. Thats when you have to
watch out for the TFR and avoid downtown.

I don't know if they always do this. I've only flown it 3 times since I got
my certificate.
According to my instructor, the basic choices are low route (1500') or the
high route (3500'), and taking the 101 or the 280 transition. The time I
took the low route, I had to ask for it, as they (Norcal) first wanted to
send me up to 3500'.

At an A's game I went to, there seemed to be a lot of light planes passing
nearby. Flying to the coliseum, then to the 29 numbers is a standard way to
transition Oakland class C.

Dave

If the local SFO politicians get the chance, they will
likely ask for a vote by the "poeople" of SFO, to ban
aircraft smaller than 40,000 pounds GW, since the smaller
aircraft are just for the rich and could be described as
Saturday (week-end) Specials. Remember, aircraft are not
protected by the Constitution, it is a privilege to fly and
in SFO even Constitutional Rights are not protected from the
voters.



--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm



"Dave D" > wrote in message
...
|
| > What raises this question is trying to do a BAY TOUR at
SFO during a
| > Giants
| > or 49er home game. The usual restriction is below 2000
or 1500 feet west
| > of
| > bayshore freeway. This restriction will put you within
the TFR for
| > Candlestick park and many times 3COM park.
|
| I don't know the answer, but the last time I flew a Bay
Tour there was a
| Giants game going on.
| I was prepared to ask fot the *I-280 transition* but never
got the chance as
| they directed me that way anyway.
| This brought me out over the west side of the pennisula up
to the Golden
| Gate, outside the TFR.
|
| Once you get to the Bay, they let you go on your own
navigation, below the
| 3000' class B floor, and north of the Bay Bridge. Thats
when you have to
| watch out for the TFR and avoid downtown.
|
| I don't know if they always do this. I've only flown it 3
times since I got
| my certificate.
| According to my instructor, the basic choices are low
route (1500') or the
| high route (3500'), and taking the 101 or the 280
transition. The time I
| took the low route, I had to ask for it, as they (Norcal)
first wanted to
| send me up to 3500'.
|
| At an A's game I went to, there seemed to be a lot of
light planes passing
| nearby. Flying to the coliseum, then to the 29 numbers is
a standard way to
| transition Oakland class C.
|
| Dave
|
|

Yes, Yes. You must treat it as a priviledge to fly this route. Do not go too
low or near downtown buildings,
and do not linger too long over the bridges. I try to sound a professional
as I can to ATC, and get all information I can before going.
But while we can, it is so cool.

Another issue is low fog in that area which may not be covered by flight
service briefings. You can find detailed satellite photos at
http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/zoa/BriefgNav.php. Also check the Berkeley web cam
at http://sv.berkeley.edu/view/index.html.
Even if the rest of the Bay is perfectly clear, fog can cover the Golden
gate and the coast. ATC may vector you out over the fog.

Dave


"Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
news:20kif.28094$4l5.10252@dukeread05...
> If the local SFO politicians get the chance, they will
> likely ask for a vote by the "poeople" of SFO, to ban
> aircraft smaller than 40,000 pounds GW, since the smaller
> aircraft are just for the rich and could be described as
> Saturday (week-end) Specials. Remember, aircraft are not
> protected by the Constitution, it is a privilege to fly and
> in SFO even Constitutional Rights are not protected from the
> voters.
>
>
>
> --
> James H. Macklin
> ATP,CFI,A&P
>
> --
> The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
> But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
> some support
> http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
>
>
>
> "Dave D" > wrote in message
> ...
> |
> | > What raises this question is trying to do a BAY TOUR at
> SFO during a
> | > Giants
> | > or 49er home game. The usual restriction is below 2000
> or 1500 feet west
> | > of
> | > bayshore freeway. This restriction will put you within
> the TFR for
> | > Candlestick park and many times 3COM park.
> |
> | I don't know the answer, but the last time I flew a Bay
> Tour there was a
> | Giants game going on.
> | I was prepared to ask fot the *I-280 transition* but never
> got the chance as
> | they directed me that way anyway.
> | This brought me out over the west side of the pennisula up
> to the Golden
> | Gate, outside the TFR.
> |
> | Once you get to the Bay, they let you go on your own
> navigation, below the
> | 3000' class B floor, and north of the Bay Bridge. Thats
> when you have to
> | watch out for the TFR and avoid downtown.
> |
> | I don't know if they always do this. I've only flown it 3
> times since I got
> | my certificate.
> | According to my instructor, the basic choices are low
> route (1500') or the
> | high route (3500'), and taking the 101 or the 280
> transition. The time I
> | took the low route, I had to ask for it, as they (Norcal)
> first wanted to
> | send me up to 3500'.
> |
> | At an A's game I went to, there seemed to be a lot of
> light planes passing
> | nearby. Flying to the coliseum, then to the 29 numbers is
> a standard way to
> | transition Oakland class C.
> |
> | Dave
> |
> |
>
>